Second, the sights on the SR22 are superior to the P22. We did like the sights, the workmanship, the two extension-type magazine bottoms, the zip case, and the comprehensive manual with its wonderfully detailed exploded view. Barrel length is just a smidge under 3 ½ inches, and the gun has an overall length of 6 ½ inches with an overall height from keel to top of 4 ½ inches. It may be that I just like the sights better, but I do see a difference on the target. 2 front sight, the gun shot just above the point of aim at 15 yards, which is what we wanted. Each held ten rounds. 102 Posts . We finally put it in location and rapped it with a stick, and in it went. These were CCI Green Tag Competition, Eley’s Match EPS, CCI Mini Mag solids, Winchester Power Point HP, and Federal Classic High-Velocity. It operates the opposite of "normal" safeties. Though it is positive to manipulate and has very distinctive detents when operated, the actuation of it is the reverse of what a safety should be in this position: the safety moves up for “safe” and down for “fire”. Now, having said all of that, I don’t knock the Walther. The Ruger’s front sight was dovetailed into the slide crosswise, and held by friction. Save Share. The Ruger may be carried with the hammer down and the safety off, but thanks to the configuration of the safety it is highly likely and indeed easy to inadvertently re-engage the safety when acquiring the firing grip on the draw. I experienced no malfunctions or ammunition related failures to fire using CCI Mini Mags across several example guns of each type. Like the Walther P22 WAP22003, now $379, Ruger’s SR22 is full of angles and bumps and slots, but not so many serrations. Does it have enough accuracy? A conventional picatinny-style rail is molded into the dust cover of the pistol and will accept compact lights and lasers. Said another way, your goals and preferences might not look like my goals and preferences. We don’t know how to accurize them, or if that’s possible. Discussion Starter ⢠#1 ⢠May 28, 2013. The aggressive, eccentric texturing of the Walther is a welcome addition even on a gun this small with so little recoil. Compare the dimensions and specs of Ruger SR22 and Beretta APX Carry The P22 and looking at the SR22 (never held one) are/seem a bit too small. Using CCI Mini-Mag, one of my favorite all around .22 LR loads, I was obtaining 10-shot, 25 yard groups averaging 2.8” with the Walthers and 2.2” with the Rugers. No one makes that gun today, so far as we know. That being said, the Walther is significantly easier to shoot well with the trigger in any mode, so whether or not you want to work harder to obtain the better accuracy of the Ruger or have an easier time shooting the Walther as best as it can is a calculus I will leave up to you. The Ruger has a wraparound, rubberized grip shell unit that is interchangeable for different sizes. They are also viable for training new shooters, or for keeping one’s eye in on rapid-fire shooting of multiple targets, at very low cost. The entire assembly once you have it in place will squirm and wiggle out of alignment making reassembly quite a bear unless one uses a similarly-sized rod to capture the arrangement, or goes through enough revolutions with it that you know the trick. The good triggers, both the smooth 9.3-pound DA and clean 4.3-pound SA, made that a joy. Third, the SR22 is a bit more accurate for me. The Walther did not reliably cycle the Federal Gold Medal Match, and had one failure to feed with the Eley Ten-X. The Walther put this fine ammo into ten-shot groups of 2.6 inches and 2.8 inches respectively. Thread starter track_warrior; Start date Jan 19, 2012; Jan 19, 2012 #1 T. track_warrior New Member. The rear sight is adjustable for windage with elevation being adjusted by replacing the front sight with one of several included various heights. Where things get tricky is when one drags subjective performance standards and metrics into the equation. Then our shots were where we wanted them on the 15-yard target. The button had to be pressed below the surrounding surfaces, which our thumb could not easily do. The SR22 trigger I had was powdered with graphite after a through cleaning which should be done to any new gun. you pull back on the slide, lift it, and slip it off the barrel to the front. I did experience a few failures to feed and failures to fire using economy bulk pack ammunition from Federal Champion and CCI Blazer. The disassembly latch is a wraparound u-shaped piece placed within the confines of the trigger guard. Lastly, I would be remiss if I did not mention disassembly. Many .22 caliber pistols show a certain amount of ammunition sensitivity. Now, here is where things take a turn for the interesting: The examples of the Ruger SR22 that I have shot consistently turn in better groupings across a variety of different brands of ammo than the comparative Walther P22Q examples. If you lack the coordination to handle a delicate procedure that the Walther demands, you might consider getting a walkthrough before committing. Sig Mosquito VS Walther P22. Move it down to the safe position and the hammer moves back a touch if it’s down, but doesn’t drop if it’s cocked. As for the mag dropping out of the Walther, we could not get it to come out accidentally no matter how thick a glove we wore, nor by pressing down hard on the release with our trigger finger inserted. A slight press with hand pressure on a proper-size punch got out the rear grip’s retaining pin, and we easily installed the flatter housing. Getting the gun to hit where we aimed was easier with the Ruger’s fully adjustable rear sight. The Ruger’s 10-round magazines (two per gun) were a bit easier to load than the Walther’s because they had a bump out either side that made it easy to press down the follower using two fingers instead of one. Everything looked good, we took our pix, and it was time to reassemble the P22. That’s the weak point of this design, because you need a “tool” in the form of a slave rod to capture the spring before you can reassemble the gun. The Ruger, with the same test setup, gave groups of 1.7 inches and 2.3 inches The Ruger also failed to feed both types of match ammo, which we expected. If the trigger had been clean and a pound or more lighter, we would have liked the gun better. This will cause delays in deliveries both into and out of our facilities for the coming weeks. The SR22 has been around for donkeyâs years now, and is a good example of why the old designs are the best. The Smith and Wesson Model 43C is an 8 Shot 22LR J-Frame Revolver that has some great attributes that make it the top contender for pocket-sized 22LR pistols. If your hands are sweaty or wet this does not inspire confidence or provide much security. The slide release is located in the expected position just above and behind the trigger at the top of the frame. We got into a super-secure, seated, laid-back position and used our Merit aperture sight on our shooting glasses. Capacity is 10 rounds in the magazine plus 1 in the chamber. This is a difficult trick to manage for any handgun, because differing ammo selections, test conditions, individual pistol variations, and matchups can magnify the flaws found in any product, making it hard to get a top grade again and again. The Walther has a significant advantage in its nicer trigger and grip texture, where the sights on the Ruger are slightly better but it has a nasty DA trigger and is slippery. The sight picture was perhaps a bit more precise than the Walther’s, because the rear slot was narrower. What I Did To Prep This Week: Apr 19th – 25th 2020. The simple fix was to cycle the hammer again with the DA trigger on the P22. We thought that was entirely adequate. This is not true, although they occupy the same market niche and externally are very similar in regards to overall size, thickness, features, weight and control layout. Interesting article. Alas, comparing these two is apples to oranges. However, the innards of the Ruger were quite different from those of the Walther. And if this hypothetical gun were far more accurate than either of these two test guns, we’d beat a path to the maker’s door and buy one for ourselves.) Again the same thing happened with the Ruger. It is grippy in most conditions can afford a more secure purchase for all shooters. Both Ruger mags had flat bottoms installed, but two finger-extension magazine bottoms came with the gun. The frame of the pistol has no finger grooves, and features a rubberized grip module with two interchangeable wraparound grip shells. A variety of lights can be put on there, but we fail to see the need for a light on a 22 handgun. We tested with five types of ammunition. On the range we encountered perhaps the most damning thing about the Ruger, its trigger. With the Remington subsonic ammunition, on the other hand, the velocities increased by about 20 fps when shot from both the Ruger 10/22 as well as the Walther P22. In a February 2006 test of four handguns, our Idaho staff called the Walther P22 22 LR No. We did this a number of times and that took care of some of the creep. durability? The gun shot a touch low for us, so we elected to change the front sight. Ruger’s mechanical design is a totally different approach to essentially the same external package. When compared with the Ruger SR22 and the Walther P22, each of which uses a 10 round magazine, the TX22 offers six additional rounds. But, internally, there are significant differences especially in the operation of the trigger and the safety. The feel, function, looks, balance, and light weight were ideal for fun shooting. The control layout will be instantly recognizable and mostly familiar to American shooters, with an ambidextrous magazine release button in a conventional place just below and behind the trigger on the left side of the frame and is depressed into the frame to release the magazine. The Ruger magazines accept a flat floorplate or a pinky extension that is significantly more generous and combined with its lack of finger grooves on the frame means that those with large hands are more likely to settle into this gun comfortably. The single action pull is relatively crisp and clean after a fairly significant amount of take up, a nice surprise considering most guns in this category and action have atrocious DA pulls. I would lean towards the Walther, both for its superior trigger and for its more mature design, but the manual safety is something that will have to be trained on extensively before I was certain and swift enough and its operation to carry it. The only real problem I have with the SR22 is the safety. Nov 11, 2008 19,807 113 Even when carried conventionally with the safety engaged, the design and placement of the safety itself does not lend itself to easy or rapid disengagement without substantial practice. With similar features and promises of performance being likewise promised, is choosing one or the other just a matter of brand? Inserting the magazine activated the trigger-return spring. But both guns’ magazines were easy to manage. Then (yep!) Removing the original sight was easy by poking it out with a screwdriver from the inside, with the gun being disassembled. With our No. All others things being said, a trigger on a gun you otherwise really like, can be fixed. In today’s article we will try to get to the bottom of that question. It annoyed us to much we tried an old gunsmith’s trick on it that helped it a lot. Ignore this and you’ll curse the gun, the dog, and yourself. It has good adjustable sights, and has never had a malfunction, with many brands of ammo. 22 LR Semiautos: Walthers P22 Versus the Similar Ruger SR22, Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 986, Springfield Armory XD-M Tactical 45 Review, The Bolt-Action Handy Rifle in 2021: Savage 110 Hog Hunter, 380 ACP Ammunition Testing: Bullet Development Continues, Twelve 22 Long Rifle Cartridges, Shot From a Rifle This Round, 9mm Barrel Lengths Compared In Range Performance Testing, 12-Gauge Mini Shells from Federal, Aguila, and Nobel, Gun Belts: Beat the Sag with Choices from Wright, Bigfoot, Quick-Release Extended Scope Mounts For Carbines & Rifles, BATFE Reclassifies ‘Honey Badger’ AR Pistols as SBRs, PROOF Research Introduces the $8500 Conviction Ti Long-Range Precision Tactical Rifle, Wheelgun Lasers – LaserMax And Crimson Trace Face Off, Sturm, Ruger & Co. Ruger-57 16401 5.7x28mm. That’s where Ruger has an advantage, which we’ll look at in a moment. Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "ae1228d403067b8250a1420c91d343ca" );document.getElementById("jae6b66de4").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. First, the 43C is extremely lightweight. Therefore there’s less “threading the needle” involved in getting the gun back together. We found the magazine release to be annoyingly hard to use. If we were picky, we’d have the rear notch a tad narrower, but as it was it was fast to use. The trigger on the Walther is entirely superior to the Ruger, even in double action mode. What's the difference between these two pistols? Then pull the slide to the rear, lift it, and ease it forward off the barrel. They are both about the same size, both accurate with our preferred ammo and will digest most “bulk” 22LR. Another control is the slide lock, which holds the slide rearward after the last shot. Whereas, the M&P runs just a bit under a full size pistol. Ruger SR22 VS Walther P22. The pistol is a very svelte 17 ½ oz and it measures just a fraction shy of 1” in width. The gun could not be carried cocked and locked. The safety has no decocker function, but the gun can be placed on-safe and the trigger still be used to release the hammer so that it may manually be lowered under control with assurance that a mishap will not result in a negligent discharge. A rail for mounting of lights and lasers is also beneath the barrel on the dust cover. The P22 and looking at the SR22 (never held one) are/seem a bit too small. My biggest bone of contention with the Ruger is the operation of the safety. The P22 has ALWAYS been made by a toy company. Reply. My trigger is about 3+ pounds in double action with no creep. While one of us was in Alaska running a trap line, the handgun was kept warm in a shoulder holster. reliable? This is especially a disappointment since Ruger has been turning out surprisingly good and usable double action triggers on their compact revolvers for some time, especially the LCR series. CTRL + SPACE for auto-complete. Plainly stated, both guns are pretty simple to disassemble, needing only their respective disassembly latches pulled or flipped down and then the slides are retracted all the way to the rear before the back end of the slide is lifted up off of the rails and then returned forward off of the barrel and frame. I did all the homework and read all the necessary reviews before buying the walther instead of the more expensive Ruger SR-22 and I must say I'm very glad I did. The SR22 had large ambidextrous safety levers that dropped the hammer when pressed downward to the safe position. Rimfire Pistols For Various Shooting Applications. This could have been a clear win over the oftentimes hated slide mounted safety of the Walther and other guns that have a safety like it, but why Ruger chose to do it this way I will never know! (If Ruger or Walther decided to do it, we suspect a great many fans of James Bond would buy the guns just for the fact that they look like the famous PPK. Also they hold 12 rounds instead of 10 which is kind of nice. There is no shortage of quality .22 pistols on the market today, and there is seemingly a model and accompanying variant that can suit any task or purpose. Walther’s P22 was, at the time of its introduction, a paradigm-shifting handgun that has been copied often since its introduction and now enjoys some modern updates moving closer to its two decade mark. This is one of the most popular .22 pistols on the market, just as the Ruger ⦠The safety blocks the hammer from striking the firing pin, and also locks the firing pin so the gun can’t discharge. The slide of both the P22 and Mosquito are ZAMAK (a Zinc alloy), and I've seen pictures of both with cracked slides. Note that our customer service staffers are also affected by the weather and will likely not have additional details on your payment or order. Or if you’re lazy, just press the trigger with the gun pointed in a safe direction. Either is probably deserving of your money depending on your preferences, but my vote goes to the Walther. Whether you're looking to sharpen your shooting skills during target practice or searching for a reliable firearm for self-defense purposes, rimfire pistols don't produce a great deal of felt recoil, ⦠Hope it was done here even thou not mentioned. Getting the new sight in was tricky. With the gun empty of all ammo, we put lots of thumb pressure on the cocked hammer and pressed the trigger until the hammer fell. A visual inspection port allows one to verify by eye the presence of a round in the chamber without need of manipulating the slide. I’m not a person that bases my purchases off how easy or difficult any gun is to disassemble, but it is noteworthy in this review only because other people talk about it so much, and I know I will get comments about it if I did not mention it. The slide release is located immediately above and behind the trigger and is generously proportioned for easy actuation. I have owned both. Not mentioned is the threaded barrel option on the Ruger, not certain on the Walther. I already own a GSG ATI22 MP5 clone ⦠A common observation made about these two pistols is they are basically the same gun with different brands, with the Walther being the original and the Ruger being the copy. A laser sight there might make some sense for those with compromised vision. How does the new Ruger stack up against the Walther P22? One more control on the P22 is the takedown latch near the front of the trigger guard, which requires you to first clear the gun, then press downward on this saddle-like latch until it drops out of the way. I wanted a 22 pistol that was fairly compact easy to clean (If any of you have owned a Mark III you know what a PIA they are to clean!) A mechanical safety is ambidextrous and located rearmost on the frame in approximately the same position as a 1911, but curiously the safety is awkwardly pushed upward to place the pistol on fire and down to place the pistol on safe, contrary to the typical function of safeties in this location. Both are entirely functional, and have only minor gripes associated with them. So if the Ruger is going to be carried for self-defense, one can get a leg up on getting the gun into gear by carrying it with the safety off in double action mode, but the specter of inadvertent safety re-engagement will always be looming, and is an eventuality that must be trained for. This has to be the best .22 pistol on the market, and now I am a Walther NUT! The final choice of front sight would depend on the final selection of the very best ammo for the gun. We did not like the DA trigger at all. First, the Ruger will cycle more types of 22 ammo than the Walther. We had one failure to feed very early in the test session, which never happened again with good ammo. Rather, they were on the corners where they did little good. It's made of freaking zinc alloy. Thumb cocking either gun was not easy, the Ruger being harder to cock. The only possible explanation for not finding the .22 pistol you need is that you just did not look hard enough. The Ruger does not provide as many options in this regard, and the whole thing is made less appealing thanks to nasty double action trigger. TGT Supporter. Finally, I like the build and materials on the Ruger over the Walther. The Walther’s double action pull, while heavy, is smooth and a glitch-free with only some noticeable stacking near the very end of the trigger’s travel. We thought it was an ideal fun gun, one we’d take in the backpack and not even know it’s there.” Then, in the May 2010 issue, we wrote, “Our Team Said: The unanimous decision was that the P22 was the top performer in our tests.…”. We don’t recommend that method. Some 22 LR ammo with slower-burning powder works extremely well in rifles, but not so well in short-barrel pistols. We had an occasional failure to fire, caused by some of our test ammo being quite old. This is similar to the takedown for the PPK, but the recoil spring is not around the barrel here, it’s on a small rod that falls out when you remove the slide. Still, except for the trigger, Ruger did a fine job on the SR22. This website is enrolled in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. The sights are plastic, the front bearing a numeral 3, and the rear having a windage adjustment. I do not find it to be slippery at all, in fact, the grip is quite nice. We thought the single-action trigger was excellent on the P22. The TX22 comes with two 16 round magazines. Pushing the safety down into the on-safe position does safely decock the hammer, however. The average improvement in group sizes obtainable with the Ruger, fired from a heavily supported benchrest position, were anywhere from 25 to 33% better than equivalent groups fired in the Walther. The Walther’s ambi lever is not entirely intuitive to those not used to magazine releases of this type, but is very positive once you have the hang of it. We wanted more accuracy than we got. III, seems to shoot just about anything, and it doesn't tear itself apart in the process. In all cases, the slide was not driven back far enough to pick up the next round. Then with the recoil spring and rod in place in the frame, we fit the forward part of the recoil spring around the slave rod, inserted the barrel in its hole, and the gun went together easily. I have a Ruger mk 2 target that will eat pretty much anything I put though it. Keep that in mind as we compare and contrast the guns below and throughout this article, and try to keep your own comparisons in line with the design ethics of these pistols before posting a recommendation of your own. Reassembly was easier because the Ruger has a shorter, stiffer recoil spring wrapped around a rod of similar length to that of the Walther. The big difference the Ruger doesn't jam! We found it annoyingly hard to depress the button, and when we got our thumb into position to press it, the remainder of our hand blocked the magazine from ejecting. The Ruger had no problems with feed or function with good ammo. Align it with the barrel and you’re ready to shoot. That might be enough reason for a potential buyer to avoid them. ok so obviously they are similar, but they are not the same, which one do you guys think is better? It’s a delight to the eye, very busy yet business-like in its look. Or you can change the barrel for a longer one, at extra cost for the extra parts. They are both more rugged and fully adjustable. Itâs all stainless steel construction puts it at just 11.8 oz â only half an ounce heavier than the half-polymer Ruger LCP II. In a broader sense these are also general-purpose pistols; more or less equally at home in a self-defense role or a recreational plinking or target shooting role, and both are configured in such a way to be instantly comfortable for the vast majority of semi-auto pistol shooters today. While mechanically very different in operation and internally, both guns share the aesthetics and general control layout of their larger brethren, making them attractive options as companion guns to their larger siblings for fans of a specific brand, and to a lesser degree as trainers for those same guns. The top of its anodized slide was smooth and semi-gloss, instead of the Walther’s dead-flat black with longitudinal serrations. On the subject of defensive use, which is not as surprising as you might think when discussing a .22 caliber semi, both guns could certainly fit the bill, although I have reservations about each of them. My biggest practical gripe with the Ruger is that the grip is downright slippery as soon as your hands get wet from perspiration, water, blood or any other fluid. Both the Ruger SR22 and the Walther P22Q are fine rimfire pistols that are suitable for a variety of tasks, from informal target shooting and plinking to the honing of fundamentals and even self-defense. Either the buttons need to be longer or the frame needs to be relieved to make it easier to change mags. We suspect Walther could modify this setup to match that use by Ruger, to eliminate the need for the slave rod. And I have shot a charter arms pathfinder in a .22 /.22 magnum, and really like it.but stopped to think about over night and it was gone the next day. Gun Tests has been independently reviewing firearms since 1989. The TX22 is a suppressor ready pistol. The sights were just fine. Ruger Ruger Mark III: VS Walther P22: SIG Sauer ... Jason B on Walther P22. As with the Walther, the inside of the gun looked as good as the outside. UP is FIRE and DOWN is SAFE. We cleaned the barrels, and fired ten shots each of Eley Ten-X and Federal Gold Medal Match, two of the finest target loads available. The Ruger had the odd condition that if the trigger were pressed with the mag removed, the trigger would go rearward and stay there. I own a Ruger SR22 many say its a copy of the Walther P22 I wont argue the fact it sure looks like it is, at first glance. We found both guns had distinct preferences for one or another type of ammo. Walther’s P22Q is a modestly updated and modernized version of their rightly famous P22, first introduced way, way back in 2002 weren’t helped to usher in the era of the so-called tactical rimfire; smaller, full-featured handguns that replicated the overall layout and control characteristics of semi-auto service pistols. Like the Walther, the Ruger’s grips may be modified to some extent. Our Team Said: We ended up being not so fond of the Ruger. Bottom line up front, the Walther wins here, but with a caveat. It does have a decocker function which helps to salvage the situation somewhat. They can provide fun on the trail too, but personally we’d prefer a gun with more accuracy if small-game hunting were on the schedule. Between two guns that are just as durable and reliable the one that is easier to shoot well is the one I will always choose. The sight picture was excellent, and had three white dots. We chose number 2. That would have been an original concept. However, for fun like busting tin cans, these guns are great. Ruger SR22 Vs. Walther P22. We dissect each pistol and review the components of each. Ruger Mark IV. To me accuracy of the SR22 makes me smile. The slide release lever is more diminutive than the Ruger’s but still easy to actuate with no magazine or a loaded magazine in place. Shoot it a bit and you'll see the slide with nasty gouge marks.
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